Just wish to know what varieties of gf you are breeding and what is your breeding programme for 2007.
This will help us know who is breeding what and availability of varieties for the next year.
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gstosakin |
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Hi Goldfish Hobbyists,
Just wish to know what varieties of gf you are breeding and what is your breeding programme for 2007. This will help us know who is breeding what and availability of varieties for the next year. Ranchus, Phoenixes, Tosakins, Jikins, Bristols, Philly Veiltails
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Oruboris |
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Welcome, GS:
Sounds like you are VERY serious about your fish! I don't breed, I just don't have the time or space right now. I have a 125, a 55 and a 29 gallon tank, though the 29 isn't running right now. I'd like to try to create a strain of long tailed Tosakins at some point, though. |
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gstosakin |
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Yes, I am! I hope you succeed in your Tosakin project. However, the Tosakin tail is already quite large and a burden for the gf to swim.
Ranchus, Phoenixes, Tosakins, Jikins, Bristols, Philly Veiltails
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Oruboris |
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Ooops: no, tosakins have plenty of tail for my taste.
What I meant to say is I'd like to develope a long tail wakin: my fingers were faster than my brain, I'm afraid... |
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gstosakin |
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At the end of 2006, November and December, my veils gave me 2 small spawns (we are in winter here in Montreal). One of 23 fry and the second of about 60 fry. No single tails.
I still have 18 fry from the first batch and 25 from the other. As winter is usually uneventful goldfishwise, I was not ruthless in culling. Ranchus, Phoenixes, Tosakins, Jikins, Bristols, Philly Veiltails
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Oruboris |
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Boy that's cool: you must have great bloodlines to have no single tails in that many fry.
Veils are a long time favorite for me, but I've had trouble keeping them going. Do you find them more fragile than other varieties? |
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gstosakin |
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I must admit that I have some good bloodlines and gene pools. It took me quite some time to find and get them.
Ranchus, Phoenixes, Tosakins, Jikins, Bristols, Philly Veiltails
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gstosakin |
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I have not found that veils are any harder to keep than other varieties because all my goldfish have the same living conditions. However, I know that ryukins, dragoneyes, wakins, etc are hardier goldfish.
Ranchus, Phoenixes, Tosakins, Jikins, Bristols, Philly Veiltails
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Funbug |
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This is my third year trying to breed wakin. the first year a predator (my husband thinks it was one of our own cats) got my only female. I got about 11 decent baby wakin that year as she was spawning when she disappeared but aside from that, I was brokenhearted because she was one sweet fish! She ate out of my hand and followed me around the pond and just was really really friendly.
At that point I had 2 large males and several smaller wakin of undetermined gender. I thought 2 might be female and I was right but they were so much smaller than my males that I didn't want to risk them spawning so I kept them separated and I bought a new large female breeder and I paid a LOT for her. ($200.00) I named her Kerai which is Japanese for beautiful. I also got 2 babies that turned out to both be females but they aren't quite the high quality that this one is. The first time she spawned she got a bad tail injury and spent the rest of the year in the girls pond recovering. I only got about 16 decent wakin and about as many single tails and a few just really odd wakin type tails where they don't split right at the top. I have found out however that even the single tailed wakin are still really nice pond fish. The body type looks pretty much like a common goldfish although they seem to get bigger and fatter but the ones that have patterns have really clean patterns and really brilliant reds and whites so unlike common goldfish they start to look really koi-like as they start to get big. A very small percentage come out solid red. A good solution for someone that wants koi, doesn't have the room for koi and doesn't want to spend big bucks for my nice wakin. I sell the single tails cheap but I was afraid that I would have to cull them all which is something I really hate to do. Kerai spent the whole winter just with the other girls and was just added to the main pond 2 weeks ago. I only left my most perfect male BB King in the pond with her an 3 other females but he likes her. They spawned for a day and then unfortunately I went out yesterday morning to check on her and dammit if she doesn't have a very small tail tear in the same spot! GAH!! Since there are 3 other females in the main pond and only one big male bully I removed him this time and put him in with the other 2 girls that never seem to get hurt, but that I really don't want to breed as they don't have the fabulous tails. My experience so far has been that both parents don't necessarily need to have perfect tails to get some offspring that have perfect tails but I am still getting as many bad tails as good ones from the general population mix and I don't like that ratio so I was hoping that by pairing 2 perfect specimens to see my ratio improve. However every time these 2 get together so far she gets hurt. Maybe it's the esthetically beautiful perfect tail on this female that's the problem. I'm starting to think that if I want to breed these two particular fish that I'm going to have to do it by hand like the pros do. Now where could I learn something like that? I'm thinking maybe the local koi club could help get me pointed in the right direction but I don't know. Gonna try and find out. I don't have a problem handling fish, especially goldfish. Wakin are so much easier and more tolerant than koi, not to mention the size factor. Sigh, all is not lost. It's still very early in the season and I caught the injury very small this time. It's only about of an inch long I would say so I think it will heal up fast. If it heals soon enough I may try a controlled spawn with her and BB since I have no idea how to hand strip and it would break my heart if anything happened to Kerai as she's become one of my favorites. I would just watch the whole time they were together and remove her (or him) instantly if she got hurt. So that's my plan for now. Luckily I now have plenty of females that are pretty good sized. Most of them are not quite as big as the males but 2 of them still have pretty nice tails although not quite as nice as Kerai's Here's a pic of Kerai ![]() And BB King ![]() ![]() |
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Oberton |
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Retirement is just a bit away and I'm going to give breeding a crack as a hobby to suck up time.
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gstosakin |
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Great wakins! However, I find 200$ for a wakin a bit too high for me.
Ranchus, Phoenixes, Tosakins, Jikins, Bristols, Philly Veiltails
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Funbug |
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I normally wouldn't pay that much either but she was already about 8 inches and a confirmed female and as you can see she's quite stunning. The male I think is just as stunning. I only paid about $40 for him when he was about 3 inches. In retrospect I kinda wish I hadn't bought her as I now have a few more females that are pretty nice but now she's one of my favorites and I love her so I 'm stuck with her.
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jjjenks |
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I have not breed any fish in 4 years. I think I might get back into it next year.............Now where did I put all my numbers? hmm....
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gstosakin |
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Your name is familiar. I guess you know Gary Hater, Al Foster and the likes.
Ranchus, Phoenixes, Tosakins, Jikins, Bristols, Philly Veiltails
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This year (2008), my Bristols started the breeding season. However, they spawned a week before spring break and I had to think of ways to save the fry. They
were saved and now after culling has started, I still have about 400 fry from the initial 800.
Now that I'm home I'm expecting my ranchus to spawn but they don't show any interest yet.
Ranchus, Phoenixes, Tosakins, Jikins, Bristols, Philly Veiltails
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